Sex and Dating.

[Nine Toes]

Is it just me... or are there too many threads on sex lately?

For me, one is enough.

[Yakwork]

Being alive is icky, with that attitude. Do you realize how much snot you swallow?

Yes. I'm constantly filled with self-disgust at the thought of being in contact with my body's yuckier fluids. Sex? I'm boycotting it until they make it affordable.

[Peter Thomas]

Even if you did have a wank in front of Jesus, he'd forgive you, right? Isn't that how it works?

You are absolutely 100% right.

But also 100% wrong.

You could kill someone and god would forgive you. That doesn't make it okay to do it again though.

The whole point of becoming a christian is to say: "okay - I know I do wrong things, but I will try to stop doing them". People who just abuse it and say "I do what I want, coz god loves me" aren't true christians.

And DG: I agree. My point was very extremist, although if I were to hunt through all your previous posts in other threads and quote your extremist statements, this would be a massively long message. You don't use them to pinpoint your argument. You use them to illustrate. Anyone who claims repression is the same as resisting temptation is (from a biblical point of view) wrong. If you wanted to run free around the fields, but weren't able to, that is repression. Resisting temptation is being PERFECTLY CAPABLE of doing something wrong and immoral, but choosing not to do it for righteous reasons.

[Creed Malay]

Fair enough. So what would happen if I had a wank in front of Shiva the Destroyer?

[ElectricMonk]

You'd likely be embarrassed because he has more hands than you.

[Peter Thomas]

If I knew who the hell you were talking about, I might comment.

(don't laugh at me just because I'm an unsociable being unaware of apparently 'finer points' in life..)

[Creed Malay]

Multi-armed Hindu god. But actually, after a brief google search, I realise I was thinking of Vishnu.  Never mind.
Straneg thought, but I can't get it out of my head, now - what WOULD Jesus do if you wanked in front of him? Ignore you? Ask you politely to stop? What?

[SSH]

I feel a "second coming" joke hiding around here somewhere.

But, if someone's reaction to Jesus appearing in clouds of fire, etc. is to "get out their joystick and play" then they've got serious problems even if Jesus is merciful to them!

[DGMacphee]

PT: How can my views be extremist when I base them on a different ideas and philosophies whereas you're basing yours on a strictly biblical one?

I may use extremist statements from time to time (I wouldn't say they'd fill the whole thread to breaking point, as you'd suggest), but at least I'm using them to illustrate a variety of points of view, whereas you're using yours to illustrate a very narrow point-of-view.

I'm not wrong about resisting temptation being a form of repression and here's why:

Going back on topic, you even mentioned before that Jesus said, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

That's repression of thought -- By Jesus' words, we are not allowed to think for ourselves.

From a biblical point of view, we have to follow exactly what Jesus and God say -- or else we "go to hell".

That IS repression.

That's why I think Christianity is one of the most repressive religions out there (and I can provide more examples, both in the bible and from religious organisations).

There's nothing unrighteous about masturbation -- It doesn't hurt any sentient being, it's consentual, and there are a lot of people who do it and lead normal lives.

But to deny thoughts is repression, just as you have illustrated and I have demonstrated.

Thus, I'm not wrong.


OH WHO AM I KIDDING PETER THOMAS WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG IN FACT TOMORROW I'LL GO TO MY LOCAL CHURCH AND CONVERT BACK TO BEING A CHRISTIAN!1!!! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!

HALLELUJAH!!1!

[shbaz]

PT: How can my views be extremist when I base them on a different ideas and philosophies whereas you're basing yours on a strictly biblical one?

Because basing your extremist views on different ideas and philosophies does nothing to dispute that you are an extremist (a person who holds extreme views or uses extreme comparisons).

That's why I think Christianity is one of the most repressive religions out there (and I can provide more examples, both in the bible and from religious organisations).

I wonder how extensively you've studied others. I think most of them are fairly extreme, probably the most extreme in large practice is Islam though, because they still carry out stonings and divine murder.

OH WHO AM I KIDDING PETER THOMAS WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG IN FACT TOMORROW I'LL GO TO MY LOCAL CHURCH AND CONVERT BACK TO BEING A CHRISTIAN!1!!! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!

I'm sure with your valuable insight other people surely feel the same way about your opinions. It's hard to tell if you're joking or if you really believe you are so indisputably right about all of this.

[Kinoko]

I wonder how many of the thousands or millions of people in the world called Jesus make a 'second coming' joke after/during/before sex. Does anyone know the word for 'coming' or 'ejaculating' in Spanish? ^_^ I only took Spanish for a year, so I never got around to learning all those REALLY useful words...

[DGMacphee]

Why is it that shbazjinkens is allowed to nitpick, but I can't?!?!?

First of all, I'm not an extremist -- I'm very open to other people's opinions as I don't strictly believe in one thing. Many of my points of view are based upon different sides of a coin. For example, I believe drugs can create enlightening experiences, but I believe they should be used responsibly. I believe some drugs are good and some are bad. Nothing extremist about that. I don't strictly adhere to one principle. I do exaggerate, but that hardly makes me an extremist. I mean, if I'm an extremist, what am I so extreme about?

Second of all, you're talking to an ex-Christian. I've also studied a variety of religions in high school. Yes, Islam is extreme. But you'll notice I said Christianity is "one of the most extreme". Not "the most extreme". I also find it somewhat biased to say Islam is an extremist religion and more so than Christianity based upon stonings and murders. I mean, what the hell do you call pro-lifers murdering doctors? Sure, not all people who believe in Islam are extremists and not all Christians are extremists. However, I do hold both in the same regard.

And as for that final quote, I'M DEADLY SERIOUS! PRAISE THE LORD!!11!

* DGMacphee goes off to listen to some Creed.

[evenatlab]

By all means man, I forgot all about that silliness.


As far as sex:
Different folks, different strokes. So to speak.

Alot of people enjoy simply the physical pleasure, whereas others hope to add meaning to sex.  I think maybe sex is meaningless, and people should put meaning into being with eachother for an amount of time.

Say you get married and it takes you four years to convince your wife to experiment with a certain orifice.

You soon get divorced and you find out her first night on the town, some random guy gets first shot at that same orifice.  Well, obviously this is meaningless (rather than say revenge) and she will most likely not spend much time with this guy.  Whereas you had four years of great pyschology lessons and one final goal accomplished.

[DGMacphee]

By all means man, I forgot all about that silliness.

Whoa, dude! I didn't expect you to reply THAT soon!

[evenatlab]

Of course, what do you think "evenatlab" is?  I have scouts posted round the clock watching over your every move, ready to post and critique the smallest detail of your replies!

[MrColossal]

holy shit!! You too Even?!

We gotta compare notes at the next DG-Con

[shbaz]

Why is it that shbazjinkens is allowed to nitpick, but I can't?!?!?

First of all, I'm not an extremist -- I'm very open to other people's opinions as I don't strictly believe in one thing. Many of my points of view are based upon different sides of a coin. For example, I believe drugs can create enlightening experiences, but I believe they should be used responsibly. I believe some drugs are good and some are bad. Nothing extremist about that. I don't strictly adhere to one principle. I do exaggerate, but that hardly makes me an extremist. I mean, if I'm an extremist, what am I so extreme about?

I'm not allowed to do anything anyone else isn't allowed to do.

You ended one of your posts with, "Thus, you are wrong." I don't think you're truly as open as you say you are. Indeed, I'm not Christian and I don't agree with most of this stuff either, but you're not arguing with things that can be concretely solved. The Bible has so many contradictions, rebuts, and vague statements that it can be interpretted in many ways. You're almost trying to disprove Christianity, which is a far more monolith task than you should try to take on, IMO.

Exaggerate = To enlarge beyond bounds or the truth (to extremes). If I had to pick a general thing you were extreme about, basically most things that you disagree with. Sarcastic extreme, "I'M DEADLY SERIOUS! PRAISE THE LORD!!11!"

I mean, what the hell do you call pro-lifers murdering doctors?

I don't understand the question. Most Christians are pro-lifers, therefore not murdering doctors, but that doesn't really flow with what you were trying to say, so I don't get it.

I also find it somewhat biased to say Islam is an extremist religion and more so than Christianity based upon stonings and murders.

I don't. I also think it is more extremist because women are often forced to wear shrouds in public and severely punished for most sins, while Christians are usually free to be promiscuous or whatever so long as they don't do it again (and even then, nothing so dramatic as divine murder would happen). The more liberal Muslims certainly aren't any more extreme than Christians, however.

[Andail]

I mean, what the hell do you call pro-lifers murdering doctors?

I don't understand the question. Most Christians are pro-lifers, therefore not murdering doctors, but that doesn't really flow with what you were trying to say, so I don't get it.

He meant just what he said; some christians are pro-lifers, yet kill doctors who perform abortion.

Christians throughout history have always had the eye-for-an-eye attitude, although the bible got updated some two thousand years ago, and they wrote a new part where that method was abbandoned, and replaced by turn-the-other-cheek thingie.

[shbaz]

I mean, what the hell do you call pro-lifers murdering doctors?

I don't understand the question. Most Christians are pro-lifers, therefore not murdering doctors, but that doesn't really flow with what you were trying to say, so I don't get it.

He meant just what he said; some christians are pro-lifers, yet kill doctors who perform abortion.

Christians throughout history have always had the eye-for-an-eye attitude, although the bible got updated some two thousand years ago, and they wrote a new part where that method was abbandoned, and replaced by turn-the-other-cheek thingie.

I didn't get it because it was grammatically incorrect and could be interpreted a few different ways. In that case though, he's referring to smaller sects of extremists while there are entire countries who have stoning and shrouds written into their law (that's what I meant by mass practice).

[Peter Thomas]

I would agree that Christianity can be interpreted as repressive, however I'm not sure that it is. I'm old enough to make my own mind up about things, and I certainly haven't been brainwashed, so it's seems unusual that I would defend something if I found it to be repressive.

Most people (not all, I know. Especially not non-christians) would agree that looking at pornography is wrong - or at least has some distasteful elements to it. Thinking lustful thoughts is like looking at pornography without the screen/magazine. NOT thinking lustful thoughts is a wise choice (for the christian mind), however that doesn't mean it's repressive. Although you are told to try and stop doing dirty things (whether your believe porn is dirty or not is another issue), the bible admits that people often DO think these thoughts. That's where the whole forgiveness issue comes in.

Repression is quite a strong word. It talks about lack of control, being controlled by another force etc. I would find it hard to dispute that the God who is willing to forgive you and accept you for every wrong thing you do is also repressing you. No? Sure - he tells us not to do things, but that's just 'moral conduct' (again  - I'm not saying these should be your morals, but they're mine).

Our parents told us 'no' a million times when we were young, but that wasn't repression. That was teaching obedience, and respect. As soon as a big invisible guy in the clouds comes into the conversation, people are quick to accuse him of the same thing being bad...