Sex and Dating.

DGMacphee · Fri 16/04/2004 14:13:23

Eric: That's just my typical cynicism shining through. Please ignore my brutality, everyone. I'm just a cranky bastard, I guess.

Peter Thomas: While I'm sure your "robbing banks-getting a girl pregnant" metaphor explains your viewpoint about taking risks, and while granted I take it that there are many risks that aren't good, that doesn't explain the fact that people cope and adapt through taking risks, which is a positive thing

We make mistakes -- that's part of learning, and a part of humanity.

Some people can't help but make mistakes.

It's part of what drives them.

They have sex out of curiosity, attraction, passion, spite, depression, love, romance, etc -- so many other reasons why people have sex.

And all are human desires and feelings.

And all can lead people to taking stupid risks and making stupid mistakes.

But they're still human -- and the fact that they take such risks is proof of that.

An denying such emotions is like denying your own existence.

At least, in my opinion.

Jockstrap · Fri 16/04/2004 14:13:29

Quote from: Farlander on Fri 16/04/2004 12:58:45
Sex is not phisically different than climbing a hill or making jogging... Why do you give such importance?

Sure it's not that physically different (or maybe it is?) but it sure as hell is emotionally different.

Kinoko · Fri 16/04/2004 15:03:38

Sex isn't physically different from climbing a hill or jogging? That's a pretty far-out hill! I don't want to climb that hill, frankly. It sounds scary

This argument has gone on way too long I think. Let's just all agree that sex is good and we ALL like it.

Jockstrap · Fri 16/04/2004 15:06:45

Agreed.

Moresco · Fri 16/04/2004 16:34:58

Wow some interesting responses. I can see I opened up a can of worms by mentioning my beliefs heh. Oops.

Well as for Christians who divorce....what's your point? Bible teaches that if your partner is commiting adultery that you should seperate in divorce. However, you can't remarry, that's a sin. The misconception here is that being a Christian makes you and everyone else instantly perfect or something, which isn't true. I simply stated that my viewpoint was different. The really interesting thing about the Christian discussion is that I stayed a virgin up until I married at the age of 25...and yet even though I did that I was NOT a Christian. Sure I did the whole 'you're saved' bit, but I didn't ever really believe it until AFTER I was married and had my son. I only recently thought of myself as a Christian, so sex-before-marriage being a no-no was never my Godly belief, it was just something I knew I could do because I was never weak because of sex. So this quote below, doesn't apply to me, I wasn't a 'Christian':

Quote from: foz on Thu 15/04/2004 22:35:23

Where as the christian man will probaly get married inside six months so he can get his leg over.......

"Getting my leg over" had nothing to do with why I married my wife. The only good reason I ever had for sex was this boy:

Right on, some people actually agreed with me

I'm shocked. ^^

SSH · Fri 16/04/2004 16:46:18

Quote from: Moresco on Fri 16/04/2004 16:34:58
The only good reason I ever had for sex was this boy:

That sounds a bit different from how you meant it... :o

Anyway, I'm quite a jealous guy and my wife is quite a jealous lady. The thought of her with anyone else would really make me feel sick: it wouldn't matter if that person was before ro after we met, so I'm gald that I'm her first and only and she feels pretty much the same way (although with her Spanish nature, our reactions would be different: I would be very sad and she would be a homicidal maniac) about the reciprocal situation.

Anyway, I think I'd like to get some jogging hints from Farlander sometime. Since he seems to find it equivalent to sex I must be doing something wrong when I jog... I find it equivalent to a heart attack...

jetxl · Fri 16/04/2004 17:20:18

Christians leaders saw marriage as a sin. Until the 12th century when the church started to ask money for the marriage.
Most other religions see it as something sacret. The romans saw it as a touch of a god. And there empire wasn't chrushed because everybody was at an orgyclub.

Is sex addictive? I don't know. It probebly is. Otherwise there wouldn't be 16 billion of us.
In that movie "40 days and 40 nights" the guy had some problems. That guy is a loser. I can remember that I didn't had sex for 35 days (and that includes handshakes as well). You know what happened? Nothing. I didn't saw women in underwear. There were no lesbian couples chasing me. Of course there isn't much that could tempt you if you don't watch MTV.

For the people who want to wait after they're married: Sex, like everthing else in life, you get better at it the more you do it. Studie some porn movies before the big night. Because the first time I did it, I didn't know what a clittoris was.

Minimi · Fri 16/04/2004 17:29:09

Hmm, interesting, let me add my 2 cents to the topic.

I'm only 17 years, so people might say, I'm way too young for this topic, and they are completely right. But the world as it is today forces us with every single way, to believe that it's good to have sex whenever you want that, with their soaps on television, commercials, music, games, etc etc...

I'm also a christian and I wait till marriage, because I believe sexuality isn't something between 2 persons, but 3. Man, Woman, and God.

Though I'm talking about this, I do have to say, I have trouble with it. I mean, with all those things around you, like pornography, girls dressing up sexually, and movies with naked scenes in it. It's really hard for a person of my age (i guess it's hard anyway), to avoid these things.

I also have had alot of trouble with masturbation. I'm glad I came free from that Thank God!, but it's also a sin. Because sexuality was created for a relationship. And relationship is always between someone and someone. Masturbation is focused on yourself, and therefor misses it's goal, wich is called sin.

I though do try to get a girl, do not misunderstand me on that, but I just try to keep everything in line with God. I accept/respect also what other peoples choices are, though I do not agree with their actions.

I hope you got my point!

shbaz · Fri 16/04/2004 21:07:15

Masturbation isn't a bad thing, it keeps you subdued and less likely to need sex. The more you get sexual satisfaction the lower your testosterone levels will become, and thus you will be less aggressive, both sexually and otherwise. You will be LESS likely to have unquenchable desires for sex before marriage that way.

Masturbation is also one of the few things the bible makes no mention of whatsoever, so you're labelling as a sin yourself.

Too many people think talking about masturbation and sex is "gross." We all will do or have done both at some point or another.

Why does this need to be such a religious discussion? You can justify abstinence for way more reasons than just religion.. the percentage of girls infected with the nasties at most Uni's is enough to curb my enthusiasm.

Nacho · Fri 16/04/2004 23:03:48

Quote from: Kinoko on Fri 16/04/2004 15:03:38
Sex isn't physically different from climbing a hill or jogging? That's a pretty far-out hill! I don't want to climb that hill, frankly. It sounds scary

This argument has gone on way too long I think. Let's just all agree that sex is good and we ALL like it.

Can't we like to climb a hill or jogging too?

Nacho · Fri 16/04/2004 23:06:08

Quote from: Minimi on Fri 16/04/2004 17:29:09
I'm also a christian and I wait till marriage, because I believe sexuality isn't something between 2 persons, but 3. Man, Woman, and God.

God is a stalker!!! :o

Sorry about double posting, I know it's no-no, but I just doesn't know how to post two quotes in the same thread... I'm a n00b...

Pumaman · Fri 16/04/2004 23:09:01

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Masturbation isn't a bad thing

Indeed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

Anyway, as Barcik says why not just do whatever you're comfortable with. If you enjoy sleeping around then great; if you'd rather wait until marriage then that's fine too.

Peter Thomas · Fri 16/04/2004 23:29:43

Quote from: DGMacphee on Fri 16/04/2004 14:13:23
An denying such emotions is like denying your own existence.

Really? I'd just call it resisting temptation...

As for the masturbation issue - in itself it isn't a sin. There is no mention of it in the bible. However, it is quite clear about the illicit sexual fantasies that go with it...

Matt 5:28-29 (NIV) [Jesus:] "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

So whilst you can wiggle with your wangle all you want, be careful that your best friend's mum doesn't creep in there as well (or whatever other fantasies you freaks have

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And I agree with whoever said sex was good. The bible tells us that Christians are to be the BEST lovers in THE WORLD (within marriage, duh!). MUAHAHAHAH!

Nacho · Fri 16/04/2004 23:37:12

It is just me or didn't God punished Onan for masterbating? Maybe it's just my edition...

Peter Thomas · Fri 16/04/2004 23:59:03

simple answer: no

EDIT:

long answer: Some people argue that Onan was punished for masturbating, but from the context in Genesis 38:6-10, it's quite clear that God put Onan to death not because of the "masturbation" (how it could be masturbation when he was actually having sexual intercourse is beyond me), but because he was shirking his duty to produce children to carry on his brother's name. The Old Testament law called for a brother to marry his widowed sister-in-law and produce a child to carry on the dead man's name (Deuteronomy 25:5-6). This guy Onan knew that if the lady had a child, it wouldn't be considered his, so he "spilt his seed" to prevent her from conceiving. That's why what he did was considered wicked in the Lord's sight. It was his motive that made his action wrong; nowhere does it suggest that his action was wrong in itself.

Don't reply saying that having sex with a widowed-sister-in-law is gross. I know. That's why the law got changed....

LordHart · Sat 17/04/2004 00:00:49

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Fri 16/04/2004 23:29:43
Quote from: DGMacphee on Fri 16/04/2004 14:13:23
An denying such emotions is like denying your own existence.
Matt 5:28-29 (NIV) [Jesus:] "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

That coming from someone whose parents weren't married... that is, if you believe that god did get Mary pregnant and not some guy who the whore got knocked up by...

Peter Thomas · Sat 17/04/2004 00:06:47

God was the one who 'got' mary pregnant, so to speak.

Mary would've been in her very early teens when she gave birth to Jesus. Jospeh would've been maybe 17 (exact age unclear)

It would've been near impossible for Mary to have sex with someone else at such an early age, and to not show any physical signs of it...

LordHart · Sat 17/04/2004 00:16:30

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Sat 17/04/2004 00:06:47
God was the one who 'got' mary pregnant, so to speak.

Mary would've been in her very early teens when she gave birth to Jesus. Jospeh would've been maybe 17 (exact age unclear)

It would've been near impossible for Mary to have sex with someone else at such an early age, and to not show any physical signs of it...

So what is your point? Maybe she was a very smart chick who had been getting around for years, and who know how to cover her tracks.

Peter Thomas · Sat 17/04/2004 00:18:35

My dear friend Os - you do like to tread on thin ice, don't you!

8)

LordHart · Sat 17/04/2004 00:27:58

Quote from: Peter Thomas on Sat 17/04/2004 00:18:35
My dear friend Os - you do like to tread on thin ice, don't you! 8)

I tell it how I think it... and I is thinking this right now...